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    In light of recent allegations that the Duggar’s oldest son, Josh, molested young girls when he was a teen, The Learning Channel has taken the show off the air for now. The incidents allegedly took place 12 years ago. There are reportedly 5 victims according to various news sites. Josh Duggar resigned from his position on the Conservative Family Research Council this week when news of the molestations became public. Mike Huckabee has come out and said he supports Duggar and his family. It could give some problems to GOP candidates, some of which have been supported by the family and are pro-Christian, anti-gay marriage. Gay marriage supporters are having a field day calling the family hypocrites for being against gay marriage because it’s a sin while their son had been molesting girls. It does look like hypocrisy. I have never watched a minute of the show, but after reading about the family last year when one of their daughters was going to get married and the ritual they have to go through before getting married, it kind of creeped me out to be honest. It’s one thing to encourage your kids to abstain from sex before marriage, nothing wrong with wanting that, they are over the top, in my opinion. I am not surprised something like this happened. You can’t smother your kids this much, even if it is in a loving way, and expect them to be normal.

    We had a discussion about the family just over a year ago.
    http://www.elkgrove-laguna.net/forums/showthread.php?6943-Duggars-dating-ritual

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    I’ve watched the show a few times–wife and daughter liked it for awhile. I gave the parents a lot of credit for providing for their small army, and the kids seem to enjoy their brood and pitch in and help. I agree the boy’s actions, if true, are not surprising. I don’t think it’s a case of smothering, rather than having social rules not in step with most of us. I was slightly intrigued by the family, but never a fan, per se.

    If the lefties were as critical of their own for dipping their pen in the administrative assistant pool ink, regardless of sex, they would not be so ready to criticize the other side.

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    True, but the lefties don’t claim to pure and innocent. That’s their reasoning behind this. So if you have no morals, then you’re not a hypocrite. 🙂

    To me this is as surprising as Priest molesting kids, which means not a surprise at all. Maybe if Josh Duggar was allowed to date and actually have some type of intimacy with girls as a teen he wouldn’t have done this. If you can’t even kiss a girl until you’re married, that is messed up.

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    I strongly disliked the show from the very beginning. I can’t say I have watched it, because ick. Glad its off. I feel deeply for his victims.

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    Well said, Viola. Echo…

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    Apparently the guy fondled some girls’ breasts. Not exactly a serial rapist, nor real unusual at that age.

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    from what I am reading he fondled their breast and genitals, four of them were his sisters, and he did it while some of them were asleep.

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    Wait, how did unwanted sexual advances/activity of any sort become a left/right issue?

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    @scarlet 112639 wrote:

    from what I am reading he fondled their breast and genitals, four of them were his sisters, and he did it while some of them were asleep.

    I don’t think there’s any evidence that his sisters were involved, but maybe I haven’t seen that. What I have seen are some fairly questionable sources saying it may have involved his sisters, but apparently only speculation.

    I’m not defending him. I’m only suggesting that the rabid left is once again on a smear fest. As Doc said though, you put yourself out as a family values person and this stuff comes up, it’s not going to work out well for you.

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    LC scroll down to page 11 and read the bottom half http://cdn-media.extratv.com/2015/05/21/duggardocs.pdf

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    Right. Someone is speculating. Note “alleged.”

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    @doclaguna 112640 wrote:

    Wait, how did unwanted sexual advances/activity of any sort become a left/right issue?

    When Bill Clinton was President.

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    @lc 112637 wrote:

    Apparently the guy fondled some girls’ breasts. Not exactly a serial rapist, nor real unusual at that age.

    I don’t know that it’s not unusual.

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    When both are consenting, I don’t think it’s unusual. We don’t know if the females were or not in this case, but it sounds like some were. If so, I don’t think “victim” is the appropriate descriptor.

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    If they were sleeping at the time, which is stated in several stories, then they certainly are victims and the actions not consenting or mutual. And given the tight leash those kids are kept on, I don’t know many girls he had access to that were not his sisters.

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    If you go thru the entire police report you can figure out the majority were his sisters thru the police interviews. So yes wrong in all accounts, sisters, and some sleeping

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    not trying to defend the Duggars but I just read this article and found it interesting..http://www.westernjournalism.com/a-christian-defense-of-josh-duggar/ it also mentions Lena Dunham incident with her younger sister..doesn’t seem like she had any repercussions and isn’t even remorse about it.

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    I think some major differences are that 1)Lena didn’t have a job as the head of a conservative “family”group that exists to regulate the intimate relationships of others. 2) Lena hasn’t been on a tv show extolling her close knit, God loving, free from the sins of the outside world, family. 3) the parents knew about this and never actually reported it to the police – it was reported to a family friend who happened to be in law enforcement but it was kept quiet. Punishment wasn’t decided by a court and there was no record of his crime. “Counseling” could have been a stern talking to and not psychological in nature at all. Although I have no idea if it is true, one report I read said that thenow former law enforcement family friend is in prison for 50 years for child porn. I didn’t read about Lena whatever her name is, and I don’t care about her anymore or less than I do the Duggar family, but this entire issue proves them to be liars and hypocrites.

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    I think the best course of action is to read and believe the information that suits your bias, and just hang him. Why bother with verification? The police report is a joke. It’s practically ALL hearsay. No one is, or should be, defending his behavior. Heck, he isn’t, so why should we? We know precious little factual data, and to draw conclusions from speculation does not reflect well on one’s ability to discern facts from rumor and unsubstantiated statements. This applies to everyone, right and left, Godless and believers.

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    I’m sure my opinion will be debated, but I am entitled and I admit I have watched the show since the beginning and have always supported the family….
    HE came to the parents and confessed. He knew it was wrong and wanted help. He was 14/15. He was a hormonal teenage boy. Ask me what I know about hormonal teenage boys……..
    He was probably confused because, like some have said, the family is pretty prudish and have a tight leash on the kids. They even consider HUGGING a sin and only “side hug” so you can only imagine what shame he felt. He probably didn’t have access to talk about what was going on in his mind/body or have someone tell him what was and wasn’t appropriate since the kids were homeschooled and had little exposure to other teenage boys who he would be able to feel normal with. I absolutely do NOT approve of his actions. But I think his response(to confess and ask for forgiveness and help) shows his character and the character of his family. I don’t think the media is helping anything. I don’t know what should happen, but to those saying how they are so scared for his daughters? Give me a break. He was a kid who did something wrong and confessed. Hormones are gross in a teen. They rule them, especially boys. What he did was wrong in the sense that they were sleeping and his sisters. It is a normal teen thing otherwise, so I am torn on what his punishment should be.

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    His punishment should be none of our business. Unless he is charged with a crime, and tried in a court of law, nobody has any business inserting themselves in this family’s business.

    That said, this whole thing is a joke, and the fact that ANYONE would want to spend more than 5 seconds watching this family on TV is a crushing indictment of the depravity and sloth abundant in our world today. The fact that this family, and others, would whore themselves out as a spectacle for voyueristic intentions is sick and they should be ashamed if they had any sense of moral righteousness left in a single one of them.

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    But look at the shows people watch on TV. All the reality shows and regular tv shows. It’s entertainment. It’s a get away.

    Kindr, some reports say he was 17 or 18. Who knows at this point what is true. It’s none of our business, but then neither is two gay people getting married. The family has put themselves out there with their anti gay marriage position. It makes them a target.

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    They have also put been involved in anti LGBT legislation. The problem is the model life they think everyome else should live is inconsistant with with the way they lived. His father didn’t turn him into police. He was turned over to a family friend in Law enforcement who gave him a talk. That’s not the same thing as being investigated and potentially charged. He never was punished by the system because the statute of limitations had passed before anything could be done. I don’t doubt his actions were because of the way he was brought up and the belief that normal physical reactions and feelings are sinful and damaging. I don’t think he is any danger to his kids or others though. I believe them to be liars and hypocrites though.

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    Also, I’m curious as to if the girls really received counseling by someone who is a specialist in incest or childhood sexual issues. Or was their idea of therapy talking to the pastor? Insest and molestation are complicated issues and the victims can suffer a large range of emotions, including shame and guilt. Given the parents’ philosophy about teen dating and modest dressing I sure hope those girls weren’t made to feel responsible for what their brother did to them while they were asleep.

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    If anything the brother’s behavior probably made them more strict. Maybe the parents felt like they did something wrong and weren’t strict enough. I didn’t know anything about the family until the story last year about the dating. I knew they had a huge family but that was it.

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    “The family has put themselves out there with their anti gay marriage position. It makes them a target.”

    I absolutely agree. They piss a lot of people off. I don’t agree with their stance on gay marriage etc, but a lot of religious people are like that. I know quite a few Catholics that had serious issues with gay couples. I had to really work on my parents(we have a gay cousin) and I think at least my mom is emerging in her understanding, but its sad that anyone thinks they should judge anyone else, no matter what they are basing that judgement on.

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    @EGL Admin 112684 wrote:

    But look at the shows people watch on TV. All the reality shows and regular tv shows. It’s entertainment. It’s a get away.

    I’m not convinced it is entertainment.
    I see evidence of addiction in some people I know.

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    @doclaguna 112640 wrote:

    Wait, how did unwanted sexual advances/activity of any sort become a left/right issue?

    Long time ago in terms of hypocritical belief systems. Each side has their own pet hypocrisy and thinks the other one stinks.

    Some have difficulty accepting the fact that we are close relatives of Bonobos and Chimps. 8)

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    @adiffer 112720 wrote:

    I’m not convinced it is entertainment.
    I see evidence of addiction in some people I know.

    I imagine with some people it could be. Does that apply to any show that we record and watch?

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    Addiction is what it is.

    Do you remember the days when TV viewing was becoming a larger and larger part of everyone’s lives? It’s been shrinking lately. Add that to the proliferation of cable channels and you get a changed business model. Advertisers shouldn’t be willing to spend as much, thus the shows must cost less. Without the glitz money can buy, producers must consider moving from ‘art pieces’ to ‘meth’ as a way to hold us. When was the last time you saw a show you considered worthy of posterity?

    This will all be over within a generation, though. Probably less. TV is dying as we move to on-line, streamed content. We can already see the new business model emerging. The role of the network as an aggregator of content is changing fast.

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    If you believe in God and Christian morality it doesn’t make you perfect or even capable of perfection. It makes you aware of sin and what to strive for.

    If you look back in my past I know you will find more egregious behavior than this young boy is being castigated for. Then again times were different, I wasn’t a man of faith and I had no understanding of what it means to be a Christian even though I believed I was a Christian at the time. The 80’s when I was in my 20’s were filled with behavior which would have most of you unbelievers calling me a hypocrite but that would only be your ignorance talking.

    One cannot expect an individual to behave in a way that is foreign to them regardless of what they have heard from others. One must be enlightened and see the merits of turning away from natural behavior and understand why it is better to live differently. Just because the Dugger kid was raised by believers it doesn’t make him a Christian. Not until he truly believes and begins to live his life with purpose and understanding should he be held to a different standard.

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    I agree Action. Everyone makes mistakes, that’s a given. I think it’s different though when people are talking about sin like the Duggars.

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    @adiffer 112726 wrote:

    Addiction is what it is.

    Do you remember the days when TV viewing was becoming a larger and larger part of everyone’s lives? It’s been shrinking lately. Add that to the proliferation of cable channels and you get a changed business model. Advertisers shouldn’t be willing to spend as much, thus the shows must cost less. Without the glitz money can buy, producers must consider moving from ‘art pieces’ to ‘meth’ as a way to hold us. When was the last time you saw a show you considered worthy of posterity?

    This will all be over within a generation, though. Probably less. TV is dying as we move to on-line, streamed content. We can already see the new business model emerging. The role of the network as an aggregator of content is changing fast.

    I think when people talk about TV, they are talking about anything that’s on TV. Not just network shows. It’s also streaming content too. I don’t think “TV” dies anytime soon and these reality shows won’t either unfortunately.

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    @adiffer 112722 wrote:

    Long time ago in terms of hypocritical belief systems. Each side has their own pet hypocrisy and thinks the other one stinks.

    Some have difficulty accepting the fact that we are close relatives of Bonobos and Chimps. 8)

    Both sides do this. The left is supposed to be pro woman, yet Bill Clinton was given a pass. He had a history of sexual harassment and alleged infidelity, but he was a democrat so it was okay. The Duggars are right wing Christians and are getting a pass from those on the right. If a liberal did this the right would be blasting him. I don’t think it should matter what a party a person belongs to.

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    The reason some of us gave Bill Clinton a pass (wrt infidelity) is that his wife did.
    We objected to the witch hunt Starr engaged in based on this. It looked too much like a political prosecution instead of a criminal one.

    Both sides do this as you say.
    I like to refer to it as Political Spine Fusion Syndrome.
    We can see the evil-doers on the other side, but can’t turn our heads enough to see the ones next to us. 8)

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    @EGL Admin 112734 wrote:

    I think when people talk about TV, they are talking about anything that’s on TV. Not just network shows. It’s also streaming content too. I don’t think “TV” dies anytime soon and these reality shows won’t either unfortunately.

    Okay. Then the meaning of ‘TV’ has changed as other words have lately. :taser

    If I was a person of weak faith, I probably would have taken up prayer years ago to bring these shows to an end.
    I’m not, though, and it’s a tad silly for me to expect people not to be the animals they are.
    They have to want the change more than me before it will happen.

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    @Action>Emotion 112732 wrote:

    Not until he truly believes and begins to live his life with purpose and understanding should he be held to a different standard.

    Yah. As usual it is possible to spin your words without the assumption of Faith and come to see essentially the same wisdom in them. 8)

    This isn’t going to happen, though. The judgments we lay upon each other are part of the process. When the community blasts him, they are doing much like parents would/should. We judge before we ‘should’. The hypocrisy we accuse him of now is more correctly described as what we ‘should’ accuse him of next time once he has had a chance to get the lesson digested. Waiting as you wisely suggest leaves it unclear as to when we should judge. How long do we wait?

    There is a tough kind of wisdom in what we currently do, but it only works if we forgive someone the first time they screw up.

    Judgments from people who want to engage in a witch hunt, though, aren’t useful. I think some of that is going on here and in many other issues where moral behavior is being questioned in the public domain.

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    He didn’t just commit some sin or make a mistake-he molested girls. Plural. He committed a crime. Then, his parents covered it up. That’s another crime. The hypocrisy is pretending all was perfect and beautiful all while collecting money for a tv show based on that perfect life, all while making phone calls calling for laws against other people based on what they do on their own bedroom as consenting adults.

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    Of course his parents covered it up. Making that a crime would make most of us criminals eventually. It might be on the books, but I wouldn’t be tempted to convict from a juror’s seat unless I saw no attempt to prevent repetition on their part.

    As for him…

    Yah. It’s a crime. So now what? How much do you want to judge him? What do you want to do if you had to do it personally?

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    @EGL Admin 112735 wrote:

    Both sides do this. The left is supposed to be pro woman, yet Bill Clinton was given a pass. He had a history of sexual harassment and alleged infidelity, but he was a democrat so it was okay. The Duggars are right wing Christians and are getting a pass from those on the right. If a liberal did this the right would be blasting him. I don’t think it should matter what a party a person belongs to.

    I haven’t seen one person give him a pass. You may have read content I haven’t. Everything I’ve seen from the apparent right reiterates that the writer is not defending his actions, whatever they were, but puts it in perspective of largely unsubstantiated allegations. Some have brought up what appears to be a sincere apology and remorse.. He had to have done something, as he has apologized, but the acts were not named and remain speculative. We cannot undo what was done, but at least he owned up to it and took some action.

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    @adiffer 112743 wrote:

    Of course his parents covered it up. Making that a crime would make most of us criminals eventually. It might be on the books, but I wouldn’t be tempted to convict from a juror’s seat unless I saw no attempt to prevent repetition on their part.

    As for him…

    Yah. It’s a crime. So now what? How much do you want to judge him? What do you want to do if you had to do it personally?

    Given the parent’s beliefs in courtship and touching, if this happened to their daughters at someone else’s house (say a sleepover) I’m guessing the response from the parents would be to call for criminal prosecution, not covering it up, talking to religious leaders, and calling the crime “a mistake” by the perpetrator.
    I’m so bothered by the message this sends to his daughters.

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    @lc 112744 wrote:

    I haven’t seen one person give him a pass. You may have read content I haven’t. Everything I’ve seen from the apparent right reiterates that the writer is not defending his actions, whatever they were, but puts it in perspective of largely unsubstantiated allegations. Some have brought up what appears to be a sincere apology and remorse.. He had to have done something, as he has apologized, but the acts were not named and remain speculative. We cannot undo what was done, but at least he owned up to it and took some action.

    Huckabee essentially did. You think if this was some liberal’s kid he would do that?

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    I am bothered by many things, including but not limited to many peoples’ willingness to waste precious moments of their lives on this family. I think reality TV in general is a crime worthy of prosecution.

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    @adiffer 112738 wrote:

    The reason some of us gave Bill Clinton a pass (wrt infidelity) is that his wife did.
    We objected to the witch hunt Starr engaged in based on this. It looked too much like a political prosecution instead of a criminal one.

    Both sides do this as you say.
    I like to refer to it as Political Spine Fusion Syndrome.
    We can see the evil-doers on the other side, but can’t turn our heads enough to see the ones next to us. 8)

    Do you think maybe she did that because she wanted a political career after his term was over? It would be easier to go along with it and be the devoted wife and keep the political machine in tact for her run at future office. Everything she has done has been planned. Unfortunately for her Obama threw a wrench into those plans.

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    @tomwaltman 112751 wrote:

    I am bothered by many things, including but not limited to many peoples’ willingness to waste precious moments of their lives on this family. I think reality TV in general is a crime worthy of prosecution.

    A lot of stuff on TV is though, even non reality TV. It’s all personal preference.

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    This is one of the reasons it was so easy to give up DirecTV (and all other broadcast type TV). I can avoid paying for the crap and furthering the dumbing down of our world. I find I am doing this more and more with politics lately. If it ain’t local, I aint playin’.

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    @tomwaltman 112754 wrote:

    This is one of the reasons it was so easy to give up DirecTV (and all other broadcast type TV). I can avoid paying for the crap and furthering the dumbing down of our world. I find I am doing this more and more with politics lately. If it ain’t local, I aint playin’.

    whssm

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    Yeah putting your head in the sand works pretty well. 🙂

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    You just huff and puff and blow that house down buddy! Me, I refuse to be part of the problem. The only way to change things is to start local. I will stay focused there. Maybe if we call out the demagogues before they gain traction, we can keep them from moving up to continue the pollution of the gene pool.

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    Whatever. I’m willing to pay for some lowbrow entertainment, plus I don’t have to call my friends to see how the Giants are doing.

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    Radio was made for baseball! I get enough lowbrow entertainment from the umpires in my girls’ softball games…

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    lc;112760 wrote:
    whatever. I’m willing to pay for some lowbrow entertainment, plus i don’t have to call my friends to see how the giants are doing.

    lol.

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    @tomwaltman 112758 wrote:

    You just huff and puff and blow that house down buddy! Me, I refuse to be part of the problem. The only way to change things is to start local. I will stay focused there. Maybe if we call out the demagogues before they gain traction, we can keep them from moving up to continue the pollution of the gene pool.

    To each his own. This formula seems to have worked out well for the Duggar’s. 🙂

    The only reality show we watch is Survivor. We’ve always watched it since it started. I don’t turn on the TV until night time. My kids and I have a couple of shows we watch. Sally and I have a couple of shows and watch a couple of shows with the kids. Last week the TV in our family wasn’t turned on from last Saturday until Sunday night.

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    @tomwaltman 112761 wrote:

    Radio was made for baseball! .

    For a blind person.

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    @tomwaltman 112761 wrote:

    Radio was made for baseball! I get enough lowbrow entertainment from the umpires in my girls’ softball games…

    Do you catch the Jack Benny show too? Maybe you’re just enjoying going retro. I think the video adds a cool dimension.

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    I haven’t watched an actual television show of any kind in the last couple of weeks. I did catch a few minutes of the Warriors game on Saturday while I was waiting for a drink at the bar. I was at Raley Field with my son, so we didn’t need the TV. Baseball on television is fine, if you need the visual stimulation. I get enough ball through coaching to need the visual part though. I usually have the game on out back while I am cooking or just chilling. Nothing like Dave Flemming and Jon Miller calling a game on a warm evening.

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    I watch Netflix more than TV. I can go for weeks in the off season for baseball and college FB without turning it on. I like it for sports, fishing/outdoor shows, lowbrow prison/cop shows, sometimes news/commentary, and the concerts like Stagecoach. My wife watches H&G or house hunter stuff every night if the Giants or Ducks don’t have a game. I couldn’t stand it, but she likes it. Doesn’t cost that much, and the sports are deal breakers for us, so we’ll keep it around.

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    I have Netflix, and watch a few things every once in a while. I have been trying to watch Star Trek TNG for a while now. I just don’t have a lot of time for TV anymore. I still read a lot, but coaching softball is taking up huge amounts of my time. It is pretty much year round, at least this year, and with All-Stars, it is 5 day a week for almost 2 months. The other 9 months it is only 3-4 days per week…

    Joan has been watching a few series lately (Glee, Friday Night Lights), and Gina has her shows that she watches. Gina just uses her Kindle though, most of the time, so the TV is used by Jack to watch Minecraft videos on YouTube…

    I tried to watch the Mummy Trilogy a few weeks ago. Fell asleep half way through the first one. Starting at 10:00 PM probably didn’t help much. 😉

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    Well you guys are missing out – I need to watch my Team Umizoomi & Wallykazam weekly 🙂

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    so the TV is used by Jack to watch Minecraft videos on YouTube…

    Our 11 year old is obsessed with this too. I don’t get it. Watching videos of other people playing video games? If we let him, which we don’t, he would sit there all day and watch them. One day we were in and out doing things, going to the store etc and neither of us really paid attention and he sat there all day watching it.

    Now that our shows are done until fall, not sure what we will watch. The boys and I watch the Arrow and the Flash. They record Hawaii 5-0 and CSI Cyber and some kid shows. We also watch Modern Family.

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    @newmom 112746 wrote:

    I’m so bothered by the message this sends to his daughters.

    I’m with you here.

    Fortunately for most people, I don’t get to have much of a say in how they raise their children.
    The same is true in reverse.

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    @tomwaltman 112751 wrote:

    I am bothered by many things, including but not limited to many peoples’ willingness to waste precious moments of their lives on this family. I think reality TV in general is a crime worthy of prosecution.

    Heh. Plant lots of tomatoes and let them get overripe.
    Toss them in the general direction of people who discuss this stuff too much.
    Toss them accurately if they don’t get the message. 8)

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    @EGL Admin 112752 wrote:

    Do you think maybe she did that because she wanted a political career after his term was over? It would be easier to go along with it and be the devoted wife and keep the political machine in tact for her run at future office. Everything she has done has been planned.

    Could be. I have no issue with it if it is true. Her business… not ours.

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    I pride myself in never watching “reality TV.” The surge in this is mostly based on the fact they are wildly cheaper to produce than actual scripted shows.

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    I’m with Tom regarding Baseball and radio.

    I’m of a mixed opinion regarding football. I prefer to listen to it (no video) or watch it (no audio). Which one depends on whether the teams are any good that year.

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    I think when a family like this puts themselves on TV that they give up their right to privacy and be free from criticism. add in that they inject themselves into the privacy of others and when something like this happens people take pleasure in letting them have it.

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    @adiffer 112795 wrote:

    Could be. I have no issue with it if it is true. Her business… not ours.

    Yes and no but because she wasn’t outraged by his antics doesn’t others can’t be. That’s sort of like saying if a woman has an abusive husband or BF that if she is okay with it, then we should be too. I think we have a right to expect the president of the United States to behave better.

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    Expect all you want.
    Prosecute, though? No.

    That’s sort of like saying if a woman has an abusive husband or BF that if she is okay with it, then we should be too.

    No one gets to tell you what you should think. What matters is how one acts with the knowledge one has.

    A woman with an abusive mate who chooses not to act in her own defense will get my attention, but might not get my intervention unless she is family. It all depends on whether I think a rescue is needed. The golden rule applies here because I would expect others to butt out of my relationship with my wife most of the time too.

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    @adiffer 112805 wrote:

    Expect all you want.
    Prosecute, though? No.

    No one gets to tell you what you should think. What matters is how one acts with the knowledge one has.

    A woman with an abusive mate who chooses not to act in her own defense will get my attention, but might not get my intervention unless she is family. It all depends on whether I think a rescue is needed. The golden rule applies here because I would expect others to butt out of my relationship with my wife most of the time too.

    If they were not politicians, then I really wouldn’t care all that much. The President of the US engaging in that kind of behavior is the issue. That’s been my point all along. If he was some schmuck and cheated on his wife, then that sucks but it’s their issue. The prosecution part, I don’t believe in that, because he didn’t break a law doing it. Did he lie to Congress? That’s another situation. I’m not concerned about that really. To me it puts him in a bad position where it’s possible to blackmail or encourage him to support something possibly to keep it a secret. That he was that stupid to think he could get away with it calls into question other things.

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    Then you and I aren’t that far apart in our views on this.

    Obviously he lied to Congress and the prosecutor, though.
    Can’t say as I blame him. It was none of their business.

    Regarding blackmail, I suspect most politicians have done something that would make them vulnerable after they’ve worked in the field for a few years. I think we ought to fund a henchman prize to help deal with this. Charitable donations from us and our fellow voters would be collected and offered as prizes for henchmen who turn on their bosses. We should probably do the same for whistle blowers. Combine the two and we could attack the blackmail issue from both sides. 8)

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    Getting back to the original topic.

    Two of his sisters came forward and said they were molested. They said they have forgiven him. They said the whole family received counseling. Their interview with Fox News Megyn Kelly will air tonight.

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    Fair enough.
    That’s between them and better left at that level.

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