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Two Elk Grove High Students have diplomas withheld for taking selfies

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  • #174842

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    They shouldn’t be withheld permanently but I don’t have an issue with it being temporarily withheld. Curious if the school had previously told students not to do that. I like that their parents have to go with them to get their diplomas. 🙂

    http://m.keyt.com/diplomas-withheld-after-students-take-graduation-selfies/26224044

    Elk Grove, CA (KTXL) — Two graduates from a California High School are having their diplomas temporarily withheld after they took selfies while walking across the stage during the graduation ceremony.

    “They said that the selfie I took was not appreciated, and that I will not receive my diploma,” Elk Grove High graduate Jack Budmark said, a day after graduation.

    And that’s exactly what happened when he tried to pick up his diploma on Wednesday from the high school.

    “It kinda pisses me off. All through the year I’d passed all my classes. I earned it,” he said.

    Fellow graduate Keoni Daniel didn’t get his diploma either, for the same reason.

    “I had my phone in my hand. I knew I was gonna do it,” Daniels said. “I just wanted to be in the middle of the stage when I took the selfie to see everyone (in the background).”

    While Budmark’s dad understands the district’s desire to maintain decorum during the ceremony, he doesn’t believe it’s an issue.

    “He’s been a character in school for the past 14 years,” dad Tres Johnson said. “It seemed like a non-event to me. In the end, it’s kinda silly to hold the diploma.”

    The district told FOX40 that the boys must show up at the principal’s office with their parents, in order to receive their diplomas.

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    Oh no! I could be all up in arms, saying oh those teenagers!!!!. But I have a couple of mine own and can I tell you. They do not have a brain yet. Oh yes they have a brain that can get thru some of the hardest classes, and learn all this data , but I swear their thinking part is not grown …….. SO please Elk Grove School, please remember when you had no brain. It happens to us all. Tell them No More Selvies, give back the diplomas and move on to the next stupid thing their brains think of. Please.

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    They graduated, and the principal still wants to meet with parents and kids – good grief what does he want to send them to summer school? It’s not like they burned down the stage or anything…

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    Agree with the school. Let the no class punks be an example to others. Did their parents not have cameras?

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    I agree with the school Students were told no selfies. If the graduation was at Sleep Train the kids images are displayed on the big monitor and there is a professional photographer on stage.

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    @scarlet 95772 wrote:

    They graduated, and the principal still wants to meet with parents and kids – good grief what does he want to send them to summer school? It’s not like they burned down the stage or anything…

    I think he wants to make the parents come in and get the diploma to send a message to them and the kids. I think it’s the right thing to do. It’s an inconvenience for the parents and it should be. The one dad even admitted his son is a “character”, so he’s not surprised. If the kids were warned, then I think it’s cool what the school. There’s a time to be act up and a time not to. While it’s relatively harmless, it’s not the time. You let one do it and then others will start doing stuff. Just walk across the stage and get your diploma and walk off.

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    I get why they were told no selfies you need to get them on and off as quick as possible – graduation is like a herd of cattle going thru, I’ve been the last 4 years, and there names are called every 10 seconds. They were having some fun – and yes we can’t have 700 kids doing that, it would take to much time. I wasn’t saying they were okay in doing it, I was being more sarcastic then anything – just give it a break every once in a while. You can’t hold their transcripts or diploma – sometimes the control thing just irritates me. Selfies are the in thing to do at graduation, it’s been all over the news.

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    They made it CLEAR that there was to be NO showboating(is that the right name for it?) and they can’t play the naive game. My kids both graduated EGHS and were told MANY times to not pull any stunts or take out their phones………the parents knew as well and if I remember correctly we even had to sign that we are aware……..not positive on that one though.

    I am sure they will get their diplomas one day, BUT they have to do something to make the kids follow rules. What if everyone pulled this? Where do you draw the line?

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    ps….the pics were cute though. I saw them on the news. I think its lame they tried to pull the stunt they were well aware of was not allowed, but they have a cute pic to remember it by. lol

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    Of course it’s about control. if they let it go, guess what, next year more kids do it. So now the parents and the kids have to make a trip to pick it up. Obviously the parents must have contacted the media. Why not just accept it and move on. How hard will it be for them to go pick it up.

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    @EGL Admin 95770 wrote:

    While Budmark’s dad understands the district’s desire to maintain decorum during the ceremony, he doesn’t believe it’s an issue.

    He understands the rules and requests of the district, “as long as his child isn’t involved.” What a hypocrite.

    The school will eventually give these student’s their diploma. Even without the physical piece of paper, they are still high school graduates.

    Dr Ladd has certain requirements for the high school graduations. He wants it to be a formal ceremony. He doesn’t want air horns, noise makers, beachballs, etc.. This isn’t a movie and its not a circus. All kids need to be dressed appropriately. He doesn’t want a few attention seeking student’s to take attention away from those students who have taken the same classes as them, worked just as hard, and are following the rules.
    Could you imagine a graduation where 500 students are dancing on stage, taking selfies, twerking, flash mob… Whats next?
    Most if not all schools have a mandatory parent night for all graduating seniors. They go over rules, expectations, etc… All students from every school are also told the rules at the graduation rehearsals. They were told they walk across the stage, shake hands and move on.
    They are playing the victim now and I blame the parents for encouraging it…

    I would bet money these students have a record of defiance in high school.
    Welcome to the real world, where your parents can’t save you from your stupid mistakes.

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    @EGL Admin 95779 wrote:

    Of course it’s about control. if they let it go, guess what, next year more kids do it. So now the parents and the kids have to make a trip to pick it up. Obviously the parents must have contacted the media. Why not just accept it and move on. How hard will it be for them to go pick it up.

    BFD.

    What’s the point of having this kind of control over kids who are leaving? It makes the school look like a bunch of little tyrants to demand this.

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    Because it’s not all about them. Parents and grandparents go to graduation, and many of them expect a proper and traditional ceremony. If the kids want to ass off, let them do it privately amongst themselves. That would be called respect for others.

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    True, but the school puts themselves in a position of enforcing what those parents want over what the graduates want. That’s dumb. Not only do the kids have to learn there are grown-up consequences for their actions, but the parents and schools have to learn there are limits to the control they can exercise without turning their expectations into fodder for tyrannical actions.

    At a HS graduation, I expect some kids to thumb their nose at authority. Selfies are pretty damn mild when it comes to the range of possible ways they could do it. The kids are moving on and it is time for the schools to let them go with whatever attitudes they’ve manage to instill in them. If the kids haven’t learned respect by then, it’s a tad late to teach them.

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    Still with the “anything goes,” Dr. D? eye rolling

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    I have graduated three times and each time I did a happy dance 2 secs. No twerking though. The last time I had blinking led lights on my cap. I think gradutation should be a little bit of release you wokred hard it is a ceremony but doesn’t have to be sooo stuffy. Personally I think a tasteful flash mob would be great to Pharrells song Happy how do you not dance a little when you here that song.

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    Here you go Pep, Happy Friday!!
    [video=youtube_share;y6Sxv-sUYtM]http://youtu.be/y6Sxv-sUYtM[/video]

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    @lc 95790 wrote:

    Still with the “anything goes,” Dr. D? eye rolling

    Heh. Squeeze too tight and they will find other more annoying ways to rebel.
    Offer a reasonable way to let off steam and you’ll get the respect you want.

    Think about how LONG we’ve known this about our rituals. Marriage ceremonies tend to be rigid and formal where we lay out the expectations for all involved and bring witnesses to hold everyone to it. Shortly afterward, though, everyone goes to the reception and gets smashed. The bride or groom mushes cake in the face of the other. People flirt. In other words, along with the rigid ritual is a plan for where and how much rebellion is to be tolerated.

    Selfies should have been on the tolerated behaviors list.

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    @adiffer 95783 wrote:

    BFD.

    What’s the point of having this kind of control over kids who are leaving? It makes the school look like a bunch of little tyrants to demand this.

    In your world it mightily that way. In mine the two kids and their parents look like asses.

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    NO ONE on Earth wants to sit there and watch 600 kids take selfies of themselves at graduation. It would be a frickin’ circus.

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    A good percentage of the kids are over 18 when the graduate HS – If my kid was over 18 and just graduated I wouldn’t be walking into the principals office to get his diploma with him, he would be doing it on his own. Very simple he’s an adult and he can deal with the principal on his own. Sorry principal doesn’t have that kind of power over the parent. When I turned 18 in HS I didn’t ask my mom or dad for a note when I was sick or when I had a doctors appt. I went into the office and let them know, very simple.

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    @EGL Admin 95795 wrote:

    In your world it mightily that way. In mine the two kids and their parents look like asses.

    Heh. It’s the same world and they look like all of the above.

    This just strikes me as a childish response from the supposed adults.

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    I don’t see how it’s childish. You have to have some repercussions. The more this goes public the more the parents look like asses. From the comments I’ve read it’s probably close to 50-50, maybe more who think the school was right. Now you’ve invited people to make comments on yourself as a parent and your kids. What did running to the media accomplish in this case? I think it backfired. But this is why schools are forced to eliminate any gray area. Now next year they will have to spell it out even farther because some asshat parent couldn’t just take the punishment and go to school the next day and pick it up.

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    OMG I would LOVE to see a flashmob at graduation! I don’t care how reverent it’s supposed to be, how cool would that be?

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    @kindrlindr 95821 wrote:

    OMG I would LOVE to see a flashmob at graduation! I don’t care how reverent it’s supposed to be, how cool would that be?

    Well when does your next one graduate? start working on the song and group at the beginning of his graduating year 🙂 and invite us!

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    Haha…….I am not so sure the next one will do the traditional school route…..he’s excelled in AP calc at 12 and homeschooling seems to be the only available option for him to work the way he needs to. The 10 year old is following in his footsteps in his own way, only he is a computer prodigy so I need to find the way to get him to focus on anything else. The 5 year old might be the next one to graduate. Give me 10 years? He should be done by then. lol

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    Pleasant Grove HS students were told that if they did anything against the rules on stage they would be escorted by EGUSD Police to a squad car and would spend the rest of the ceremony there. This is a bit extreme, however, I think they need to enforce some rules to keep the ceremony from getting out of hand. I, for one, would not want to watch 500+ kids do something silly on stage and have the 2-hour ceremony turn into 3 hours. I think they should at least let the kids throw their hats after graduation, but they couldn’t even do that.

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    They can’t even throw their hats in the air? good to know. I will have to hot glue my daughters to her head 😉 j/k

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    Where does a school district get the authority to use the police in this manner on HS graduates who might very well be adults (18 yrs of age) ?

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    Because they can…. Until someone sues them.

    I assume because it’s a school sponsored event that they have the authority to do that just as they would in school. I think age is irrelevant. They are still students.

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    @violarose – Yeah; After the Pleasant Grove Ceremony, they went downstairs to get their diplomas. To get into the area where diplomas were handed out they had to show that they still had their hat. Too much….even at formal military graduations the graduates get to throw their hats!

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    @adiffer 95913 wrote:

    Where does a school district get the authority to use the police in this manner on HS graduates who might very well be adults (18 yrs of age) ?

    Until the last day of school, (which was Friday, May 30th) regardless of age these students are still enrolled at their respective High School and EGUSD Police have jurisdiction.

    Now would the school really put them in the back of the squad car during the ceremony. Probably not. But they could kick them out of Sleeptrain and then wouldn’t be allowed to walk across the stage.

    This magical age of 18 makes you an adult, but schools still have supervision over them at school events until they are not enrolled anymore. Many students don’t understand this.

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    @jenuine 95918 wrote:

    @violarose – Yeah; After the Pleasant Grove Ceremony, they went downstairs to get their diplomas. To get into the area where diplomas were handed out they had to show that they still had their hat. Too much….even at formal military graduations the graduates get to throw their hats!

    In the past rules were different. I remember throwing my hat after graduating from EGHS. New superintendent = different rules. He wants a VERY formal ceremony and expects the schools to make it happen.

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    @CJay916 95952 wrote:

    Until the last day of school, (which was Friday, May 30th) regardless of age these students are still enrolled at their respective High School and EGUSD Police have jurisdiction.

    Now would the school really put them in the back of the squad car during the ceremony. Probably not. But they could kick them out of Sleeptrain and then wouldn’t be allowed to walk across the stage.

    This magical age of 18 makes you an adult, but schools still have supervision over them at school events until they are not enrolled anymore. Many students don’t understand this.

    I get that the school has to supervise and can use the police for this function. I’m just trying to wrap my mind around how they could explain to a judge what they tried to do to a student who also happens to be an adult. Kicking the student out is one thing. Trying to enforce a procedure on them is another.

    I’d rather there weren’t any lawsuits, of course, and that the schools recognized the stupidity of rigid control. A control must be matched to an outlet for people at this age. Anything less than that suggests they don’t understand the maturity level of their students.

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