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What are everyone’s thoughts on Trump’s appointments so far?

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  • #177941

    Hank_Moody
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    Any concerns with the Alt-Right affiliation?

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    No, because it’s next to non-existent and mostly a media fabrication. More fascinating to me is the left’s cheering on a racist, separatist, and Muslim Brotherhood affiliate for DNC chair.

    So far I’m pretty pleased, but I don’t know much about most of them and will reserve judgment until they’re in office for a few months. My biggest interest is Betsy DeVos, Ed Secretary. She has some ideas with merit, but simply promoting vouchers and charters is swatting flies. She’ll need to plant some explosives deep in the system to effect any significant positive changes.

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    I agree with LC…overall I am happy with the appointments but can see DeVos being a bit too right wing. I am also interested in the fat that Michelle Rhee pulled out. It sounded like some Democrats told her not to work with Trump.

    About the Alt-Right term – it is a marketing term that the Left feels the need to use to make them feel better.

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    I think they’re all great! 🙂

    Don’t know too much about them and then it depends on who you listen to. Everything is being spun by both sides. My guess is if you voted for Trump you’re happy and if you didn’t then you’re not.

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    @steveb6509 128288 wrote:

    I agree with LC…overall I am happy with the appointments but can see DeVos being a bit too right wing. I am also interested in the fa[c]t that Michelle Rhee pulled out. It sounded like some Democrats told her not to work with Trump.

    Doubtful anyone had to say anything to her, except thanks but no thanks after the first round of vetting. After her well-publicized purging in D. C., she has essentially disappeared. She was working hard at fundraising, got some of my money, and then disappeared after marrying KJ–and now the spending accusations are out there. She attends no conferences, makes no significant appearances, adds nothing to current ed though. She appears to be a fraud, and would have been a complete disaster.

    I left the Republican party the day after the GOP demonstrated at the Capitol against Common Core. Common Core is almost perfectly purposed, but the end result was problematic at the site level. Part of that is a federal watering down of the core techniques, at least according to one of the original plan writers, another is too many eggheads in the math section making the material incredibly hard to follow.

    The GOP is absolutely convinced this is a “federal takeover,” and it’s not and never was. It was the attempt to set standards emanating from national governors and executives who complain about graduates not being well prepared for work or higher ed. The GOP is fully convinced that decisions and funding allocation should be made at the local level. Uh….until someone can show me one person at the “local level” who has the vision for comprehensive reform and actually allocates based on expected benefit and not to satisfy local interest groups, I’m not convinced there’s much advantage to having all local decisions in education. Frankly, I like the availability of billions to more effectively topple the unions nationally, and essentially blow up the current government school methodology of delivery and rebuild–not simply replace with vouchers.

    The left isn’t good at very many things, but for education they often have some good ideas. Then the NEA snaps their heads off and they retreat. I look back on the past 16 years and am searching for any politician who has had good ideas that worked. Bush’s NCLB had some merit, but the punitive system was ridiculous–you “leave a child behind” and you lose your funding for NCLB, and undergo structured improvement programs that are handled by the local authority (county usually) who sees it as a burden to get off their backs.

    Obama just outright lied about “race to the top.” He was talking about all the schools getting federal funds–no one in California was funded as represented is my understanding. My opinion is Arne Duncan was probably the best Ed secretary in a long time, and he was fired because he stood up to Obama.

    I don’t know about DeVos, we don’t really know much about her other that wiki, press releases, and FB memes. I’m going to be very focused on that department, regardless of the pecking order of the first 100 days.

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    Difficult to say “Alt-Right” is a term created and used by the Left with senior Trump staff use the term proudly to describe their business.

    I don’t think Alt-Right is leading or taking over the government, but I think it is a concerning trend with far more supporters than some want to believe. I don’t think it’s creation is at all Trump related though, as it’s been a growing movement for some time. Trump was just their guy this time around.

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    Far more supporters? Got any data? I do–posted it in FB a couple of weeks ago. You have never heard of that term until a few weeks ago, no one has. It’s a marketing term without much definition. My numbers show somewhere between .8% and <2% of the total population even possibly affiliated with any white supremacist group. The only people that are "concerned" about it are the media and they people that believe them.

  • #295547

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    Garbage. I heard the term many months ago on another blog. Feudalists who self-identify as the Alt-Right.

    Try again with your research. They have their own blogs.

  • #295553

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    It isn’t my research, it was numbers taken from a variety of sources. I posted the article but I can’t find it now. It’s bullshit, it’s next to non-existent. Next thing you’ll be saying the KKK is growing like crazy too. And, if you use the SPLC as a reference, they probably have the Presbyterians listed as a hate group, but Black Live Matter….NAH!

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    @lc 128292 wrote:

    Far more supporters? Got any data? I do–posted it in FB a couple of weeks ago. You have never heard of that term until a few weeks ago, no one has. It’s a marketing term without much definition. My numbers show somewhere between .8% and <2% of the total population even possibly affiliated with any white supremacist group. The only people that are "concerned" about it are the media and they people that believe them.

    No, I had heard of the term over the summer, as did many others, when Bannon was hired to be the chief strategist, and Bannon’s own statement and connection to the Alt-Right movement was widely circulated.

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    OK, so you’ll agree whether it’s a few weeks or a few months it’s a new term. It remains undefined. Some define it as white nationalism. Others just lump in anyone in support of Trump. Again, if you have any reliable data that shows this great joining of whatever movement this is, please post it. Where are these groups, other than the filming by 50 reporters of an extremist and racist group of 250 or so? I just haven’t seen this, heard of anyone supporting it, and don’t see any such trend, and the data I did post earlier supports that. The media has tried to shorten “white nationalism” to “nationalism” in an apparent attempt to make nationalism a racist term, and of course it’s not.

    Anyone can worship at the alter of the boogeyman d’jour, and the media is consistent there, but that does not make anything factual or even relevant to current politics.

    What this is all about is the left, not just in the U.S. but in several Western nations, pushing back on a populist trend to secure borders and protect individual nations against attacks. The election was a referendum on socialism and unrestricted multiculturism in the name of national security. If you disagree with the outcome, that’s OK, lots do. Just keep it honest is all we can ask.

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    I would like to extend one of LC’s thoughts from above (and I believe he would agree). When he says “protect individual nations against attacks”, this includes economic attacks. I am generally a free trade type of person (and benefit from free trade), but the rules need to be fair across the board (and across different countries/regions).

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    Sure. The past 8 years the President has viewed America as just one of many nations in a global economy. What has happened, largely as a result of NAFTA and trading with China, is that we’ve become uncompetitive. We simply cannot pay wages people demand and for the most part are reasonable for skilled work and compete. No one is going to pay up for a Carrier furnace, come on. One way to get competitive is to right the balance of trade, and the two ways to do that are strip off some of the regulations and fees, and go back to what we’ve successfully done before, and that’s levying duty to certain countries who abuse currency and subsidize their products through government buydowns, like China. Even logistics are a major factor. In this country logistics are not free or subsidized; in China they often are. Mexico has cheap labor and subsidies/nationalization (like gasoline) too, and can simply discount their oil by $1 a barrel or something–there are ways to level the field that are not overly punitive.

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    No, “alt right” does not describe all Trump supporters, LC. Far from it. Alt Right is a euphemism, a rebranding if you will, of a conglomeration of ultra far right constituencies, including white nationalists,white supremacists, the KKK (which is taking on new members at an accelerated rate, believe it or not, something like 40 new chapters have popped up), and a bunch of others. Because of Trump’s sometimes incendiary language, particularly with respect to Mexicans and Muslims, he has attracted the ultra far right fringe. They are not your garden variety conservatives by any stretch. They are radicals and should be branded as such, as should Bannon. Even David Duke endorsed Trump, remember? No, your so-called “new term” is not some specious theory propounded by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) that you mentioned, and it’s not the figment of some journalist’s imagination either. It is a rapidly growing movement. The impetus behind the hysteria about Jade Helm emanated from the ultra far right.

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    Rapidly growing? Data please, from a reliable source.

    Edit: If one were to attempt to cite “facts” it might look something like this. There probably has been an increase in white separatist groups over the past couple of years. And, there probably has been a similar increase in black separatist groups during the same period. Neither is a major cultural threat, nor is either group significant, rather, these increases in extremist groups may reflect dissatisfaction with the current statist political culture, evidenced by the election of Donald Trump and the growing trend in Western countries of re-evaluating unchecked multiculturism and picking winners and losers, and lax border security.

    Percentages of increases can be deceiving. For example, if the Westborough Baptist Church added 40 members to their congregation over the past two years, then the headlines could read “Westborough Baptist Church DOUBLES in Size!”

    Fretting about these extremist groups is nothing more than fly swatting. They are symptomatic of a much larger cultural thought shift, not a problem in and of themselves.

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    Every time I hear someone bring up the KKK, I just laugh. What is the Lefts Obsession with the KKK? I think they promote the KKK with their articles more than the members do with the several hundred thousand news articles. The KKK has been dead for years and they are hanging on by a thread, mostly from the media and the left. No one from either side supports them and if you are one of the few thousand members, then you are hated!!!

    I did a quick google search, there are 5,000-8,000 members in the US in 2016. It is menial and is NOT a problem. They talk about the KKK and how detrimental it is, yet these same people promote the riots, vandalism, and crime that is coming from the Anti-trump and BLM groups as “free speech.” Such BS. The hypocrisy is getting tiresome.

    And lets be real, the swastikas and other KKK “Tags” and “Hate Speech” that have been spray painted on walls and buildings are probably whining Liberals that want to get attention and promote their narrative which is, “hate is spewing from the conservatives and the right.” Lets be real, its not. Anti-Trump folks think now that Trump is president we are going to bring back slavery, kick out EVERY non-white. Delusional….
    How many of these “Hate crimes” have been hoaxes? The majority… And someone anonymously saying hateful things on twitter isn’t a hate crime. We call that a troll.

    And if you feel this post is promoting or supporting the actions of the KKK then you are as blind as the media is….

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    Using some of the logic here, I can say this:

    I believe the majority of people who support killing cops also support the Democratic party. Therefore, the Democratic Party supports killing cops.

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    I didn’t like Trump from the beginning and I liked Hillary less. I had a choice between unqualified and a proven liar/self serving career politician and I went with unqualified. Do I think he’s racist, ha, no I don’t. The racist stuff is just more of the left doing what the left does. I do think people are about sick of BLM, cops getting killed and black criminals demanding that police leave them alone or it’s a crime against people of color. I think people are sick of the law not being enforced by sanctuary cities and the federal government ignoring immigration law by flooding the country with illegals. It is important to control immigration. In my view, that’s logic and common sense. The left calls it racist. Bill Clinton wanted to build a wall he wasn’t racist either. Funny how the left doesn’t like recalling that memory or the memory that the KKK is a democrat created organization and a that grand wizard actually became a democrat senator. Whenever I hear a progressive screaming about misogyny, racism, homophobia and sexism I just tune it all out and file it under the left’s penchant for labeling people they want to silence. Political Correctness has been out of control for too long and the country is getting sick of it. Maybe Trump’s rude, classless and direct style will help push it back some. We’ll see. As for the appointments, I don’t really think we will know how good or bad they are until they do something good or bad. I don’t much trust Trump to be the leader of our nation but that’s what you get when the progressives tell half the nation that they are horrible evil human beings for not wanting socialism, Marxism or some other communist concoction for the government of the United States.

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    @lc 128294 wrote:

    It isn’t my research, it was numbers taken from a variety of sources. I posted the article but I can’t find it now. It’s bullshit, it’s next to non-existent. Next thing you’ll be saying the KKK is growing like crazy too. And, if you use the SPLC as a reference, they probably have the Presbyterians listed as a hate group, but Black Live Matter….NAH!

    Nah. I suspect the people who are upset about the election are seeing alt-right behind every bush making them think it is growing. The paranoia and fear pitched by GOP candidates (especially Trump) during the election is finally reaching them.

    The alt-right movement I know of involves a limited set of kooks who think we’d be better off under the leadership of an aristocracy. They imagine themselves winners in such a world fathering lots of bastards, though they usually don’t come right out and say that. I’ve no doubt they’d be boffins at best, but most likely would wind up as kibble. These kooks aren’t exactly harmless, though, even in small numbers. Humanity lived under such a system for too many millennia for it to be out of our systems so soon. Look at our fantasy movies and stories and see how well they do. Some of us are wistful.

    The Fox folks ARE trying to coin a counter-acting marketing term, though, when they speak of the alt-left. It’s kinda funny since they don’t seem to be aware of the aristocracy lovers.

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    @Action>Emotion 128310 wrote:

    Funny how the left doesn’t like recalling that memory or the memory that the KKK is a democrat created organization and a that grand wizard actually became a democrat senator. [/quote]

    Yah. Dixiecrats. They left the party mostly in the 70’s and went to the GOP. The correct term for them, though, is Confederates.

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    Maybe Trump’s rude, classless and direct style will help push it back some. We’ll see. As for the appointments, I don’t really think we will know how good or bad they are until they do something good or bad. I don’t much trust Trump to be the leader of our nation but that’s what you get when the progressives tell half the nation that they are horrible evil human beings for not wanting socialism, Marxism or some other communist concoction for the government of the United States.

    Trump is worse than rude and classless. He is a divider.

    On the rest of that, though, I suspect you are correct. We will see barring some cosmic incident.

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    @adiffer 128313 wrote:

    Trump is worse than rude and classless. He is a divider.

    Strongly disagree. Obama is the divider, but that was his entire agenda, divide and conquer, especially along racial lines. Trump is just the opposite, evidenced by those that supported him in relation to previous GOP candidates. What is it that draws you to this conclusion?

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    @lc 128316 wrote:

    Strongly disagree. Obama is the divider, but that was his entire agenda, divide and conquer, especially along racial lines. Trump is just the opposite, evidenced by those that supported him in relation to previous GOP candidates. What is it that draws you to this conclusion?

    LC, the two thousand protesting students that the media kept showing night after night after the election is not evidence to draw you to that conclusion? Ha ha.

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    @lc 128316 wrote:

    Strongly disagree. Obama is the divider, but that was his entire agenda, divide and conquer, especially along racial lines. Trump is just the opposite, evidenced by those that supported him in relation to previous GOP candidates. What is it that draws you to this conclusion?

    Well, maybe if you consider that they unified over a dislike of Clinton, then yes….I think a lot of voters cast a ballot against Clinton, not necessarily for Trump. He didn’t unite voters.

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    LOL! Have you looked at a map of the U.S. that shows the red and the blue?? I’d say he united a whole lot of voters!

    Where he’s radically different from Obama is that Obama never talked to anyone outside his tribe of Chicago politicians for the first year or so. He certainly would NEVER talk to a Republican governor, and we know he completely ignored the House GOP and even said he had no interest in their ACA proposals (all 5 of them).

    The successful people I know have a few traits in common, and one is they will talk to and listen to anyone who might have some wisdom to share. Just today Trump had Rahm Emanuel in his office. He went public praising Obama for his advice. He’s spoken to many in the Democratic House already–probably more than Obama spoke to on the other side in eight years.

    Trump isn’t a divider because he appears to be almost apolitical. He’s certainly not making the illegals comfortable, if that’s dividing. He’s certainly not sympathizing and dog whistling an understanding about thugs killing cops, if that’s dividing. He’s definitely not too sympathetic with crying students holding puppies because the election didn’t go their way either. But, he’s going to the root of the problem which are crumbling neighborhoods in the inner city and lack of employers, and lack of direction for many American workers and students. At least, that’s the direction we’re hearing. As I’ve said elsewhere, I’m impressed and hopeful. If you want to snivel in an election loss just out of spite, that’s OK too.

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    :doom:

    I found the article with actual data that I had previously referenced. It’s inconvenient, the use of data, in this case loads of data from reliable sources, for those who are absolutely convinced there’s a wave of Nazis marching toward your community, but I’ll offer it up for those who don’t fit the description of the last paragraph in this excerpt from You Are Still Crying Wolf:

    Taking into account the existence of some kind of long tail of alt-right websites, I still think the population of the online US alt-right is somewhere in the mid five-digits, maybe 50,000 or so.

    50,000 is more than the 5,000 Klansmen. But it’s still 0.02% of the US population. It’s still about the same order of magnitude as the Nation of Islam, which has about 30,000 – 60,000 members, or the Church of Satan, which has about 20,000. It’s not quite at the level of the Hare Krishnas, who boast 100,000 US members. This is not a “voting bloc” in the sense of somebody it’s important to appeal to. It isn’t a “political force” (especially when it’s mostly, as per the 4chan stereotype, unemployed teenagers in their parents’ basements.)

    So the mainstream narrative is that Trump is okay with alienating minorities (= 118 million people), whites who abhor racism and would never vote for a racist (if even 20% of whites, = 40 million people), most of the media, most business, and most foreign countries – in order to win the support of about 50,000 poorly organized and generally dysfunctional people, many of whom are too young to vote anyway.

    Caring about who the KKK or the alt-right supports is a lot like caring about who Satanists support. It’s not something you would do if you wanted to understand real political forces. It’s only something you would do if you want to connect an opposing candidate to the most outrageous caricature of evil you can find on short notice.

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    Who said Trump reached out to and courted them and alienated others AS A STRATEGY? I don’t recall that at all. What I do recall saying, and reading, is that Trump’s comments, speeches, proposed policies, hires, etc gave a validation to those on the Alt-Right movement.

    Where are numbers for the Alt-Right-not the KKK? No one has said the Alt-Right IS the KKK. Personally, I think the Alt-Right is for people that share the beliefs and ideas, but not the violent tendencies and intimidation and fear that the KKK is so well known for. I don’t think you will find its membership is one and the same, and I think you will find that the Alt-Right numbers will have increased a lot in the last year, and will continue to go up as more people become comfortable with the label. Few are comfortable identifying themselves in the KKK.

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    Clearly, you did not read the article or you would not have asked the questions above. Do you have data, or are you simply making assumptions based on your beliefs?

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    We should wait for Trump to tweet first

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    Any concerns with his ties to Russia?

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    Yes. He sees the money and downplays the threat.

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